This is Hell! interview about bureaucracy
"David Graeber follows the rules, to the boring / fascinating heart of bureaucracy itself"
21 March 2015
This is Hell! is a longform political interview program broadcast across Chicago on WNUR since 1996.
David Graeber points out that paperless does not mean less bureaucracy and the perception that there is a lot of government bureaucracy is wrong. In fact government has nothing to do with 95% of bureaucracy.
https://thisishell.com/interviews/841-david-graeber